NASA-UAP-D2 Apollo 17 Transcript（1972年）

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CC Yes, we copied your VI and your EMS numbers, and
we've got a number for you. Maneuver start time
will be at 03 plus 33 plus 27.
LMP Okay, we got you. Maneuver at 03:33:27.
cc That's affirmative, Jack.
LMP You guys didn't tell us we
going through the sunrise.
couldn't see anything
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(Laughter) Roger.
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17, Houston. We're making plans here
craft SEP time of 03 plus 43.
for a space­
LMP 03 plus 43. Roger.
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17, Houston.
time.
We're copying cabin press of 5.9 this
CMP Roger. We -we just got it, Bob.
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Okay.
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Thank you.
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Frame 65 for the LMPs mag November November.
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cc Roger. We're watching it.
CMP Now we've got a few very bright particles
ments or something that go drifting by as
maneuver.
or
we
frag­
CC Roger. Understand.
LMP There's a whole bunce of big ones on my window
down there -just bright. It looks like the
Fourth of July out of Ron's window.
CMP Yes. Now you can see some of them in shape.
'They're very jagged, angular fragments that are
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CC Roger. They look like fluid of some sort?
CMP Not to me. They look like pieces of something.
CC Roger.
CMP They're very bright.
CC Jack, we'd like OMNI Charlie.
CMP Bob, for the most part, these fragments are not -
or are tumbling at a very slow rate. I tried a
couple of pictures of them -different settings.
You may get an idea of what, at least, the patterns
look like.
CC Roger. I've got you. We're all ears on these frag­
ments. Do you think you can figure out what they
might be?
CMP Well, you know I - I don't know. There are a num­
ber of possibilities. If you had some kind of a -
I
got the impression maybe they were curved a little
bit, as if they might be -off the side of the
S-IVB. And that's a wild guess
CDR Okay. RCS LOGIC is ... - -
CMP - -ice chunks, possibly. Or maybe there's paint
coming off of it.
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Roger. I noticed on one trip up the elevator last
weak near one of the flags. I thought it was on
the S-II, but it might have been on the S-IVB.
Looked like it was peeling. Maybe that's what
you've got.
00 03 37 45 cc And the S-IVB maneuver is complete.
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CDR Okay. We'll set the old clock.
CMP Okay. And the -with the maneuver complete, the
fragment field is essentially static, except for
very slight tumbling within the fragments.

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Roger. Cut in.
Every once in a while, a fragment of considerably
higher velocity than the others goes across my
window. But that's very rare.
Roger.
Hey, that's that field of view I saw out my window.
Jack, do you see it now?
Yes.
And, Bob. At least, there -there's no apparent
relative motion between fragments.
Roger. Understand.
I'll take two pictures about a minute apart if I
can. And it'll be Frame 70.
Okay. Frame 70.
And, Bob. This is Geno. My impression is that
they are -flat, flakelike particles. Some may
be 6 inches across. And, although there's no
relative motion between the two, most of them seem
to be twinkling. And I think, for the most part,
they're all moving away from us.
Roger, Gene.
Thank you.
Okay. We've
got 0180 and
0 on the old thumbwheels.
Okay.
Roger, Ron.
Okay. TRANS CONTROL is
ARMED .
. . .
two ARMED.
CONTROLLER number
2 is
ARMED .
... SECS LOGIC ...

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Okay.
LOGIC
SECS LOGIC is
POWER is ON.
CLOSED; SECS ARM are CLOSED;
LMP Okay.
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17, Houston. You have a GO for T&D.
CDR
Okay. A GO for T&D.
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ALIGN.
We'll ARM the PYROs. And we'll hit the GDC
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CMP And maneuver's complete.
GDC? No. It's just ...
And 0180 and O? On the
It's kind of diddling.
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CMP Okay. DELTA-Vin NORMAL.
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CMP S-IVB, okay. Okay, switches are all set.
LMP
Okay; 59 : 30 .
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CMP Okay. Let's start the DET.
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Tickity-tick-tickity, Houston.
at 59: 30.
We're running
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Okay.
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CMP Okay. That's LAUNCH VEHICLE SEP, push button.
LMP Okay.
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MC in AUTO.
CMP Next?
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CMP Okay, check the
other ones off.
covers. Okay. And check the
LMP
They're all ...
CMP Okay, I'm going to start the -My gr.,sh, look at
the junk! Okay; there's 15 seconds. Pitch her
up. Okay, we'll PROCEED on the - -

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Okay. Is that it? Yes, I can get that, Gene.
Okay, you want to take a picture of it first?
Okay, POWER ... Okay, stand by. 3, 2, 1 -
MARK it. POWER switch OFF.
Say, Bob or Stu.
Roger. Go ahead.
Okay, add -to ad to today. Not last night, but -
I
guess the first night I was in bed - I definitely
saw some of these -because I had a hard time going
to bed, to start with - I saw some of the same
peripheral horizon-type things you said were not
the type of data you were looking for; but I also
saw a -some sets of the streaks. And probably
the one most imposing thing I remember is -and the
last one I remember before falling asleep -was
the fact that there was a very bright spot that
flashed right between my eyes like a very bright
headlight -like a train coming at you, only with
a flash. It's difficult probably to estimate the
frequency of any of those because I was in a -
sort of a sleep-hazy mode.
Roger.
But then, as today, I saw some that flashed and
lit up the horizon and some that lit up peripher­
ally; and I guess, as you say, that's a different
kind of data, but I did see them there and they
impressed me.
Okay.
We got all that, Gene.
Okay.
And
it might be interesting to know I've never
seen it before today.
Hey, Gene, we appreciate all the data. We were
just trying to make the data fit the curve; you
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Okay, I just wanted you to
we saw them. That's all.
-just told them like
CC Roger.
CDR I will say one thing, though; no question in my
mind but that they're there. Last trip I took,
I guess I just wasn't looking for them or paying
any attention to them. Maybe they were there and
I ignored them because of other things. But they're
there.
LMP Okay, all you flash bugs down there -or flash­
bulbs I guess is the word -frame 50. I just took
four pictures to show -two on the side and two
on the bottom -to show the position of the ALFMED,
and one of them of each set was focused on the
ALFMED. The others were focused on the -the
other set was focused on the struts.
CC Roger, Jack.
LMP And when you don't have anything else to do, why
don't you have somebody predict where the S-IVB
is. I think I've got her spotted -behind us and
above us with respect to the Earth and our travel
from it.
CC FIDO just went
get working on
out
it.
and shot himself, but we'll
LMP Oh, don't worry about it. Shoot. I thought you
guys might have an idea off-the-cuff there.
CC No, what's humorous on this, Jack, is they have
really been working on that S-IVB impact point -
and they've really been -it's been a - a real
difficult problem for them so far.
LMP I'll tell you, I bet you Ron could give a star
sighting on it (laughter). I looked at it through
the monocular and sure looks like the S-IVB.
CC Jack, we're not doubting you at all.
probably start cranking it right now.
We could

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Jack, are you sto -you all stowing the ALFMED
now or are you done?
What's that, Bob?
Are you all done with the ALFMED now, Ron?
Yes, I've got to get it to -get the plate moved
back down there yet.
Okay, Ron -
get the blindfold off first so I can see what
I'm doing.
Roger. I just want you to know. We've got a real
long update coming up to you here on the LOI abort
charts and that -and it's going to be, probably,
a difficult readup. And you're the most familiar
with the charts; you probably would want to take
them. But whenever you want to take them, they
are on -charts on page 3-81, 3-82, and then the
cue card for LOI limits. Whenever you want to
take them. It will be a lengthy one.
Stand by, Bob. Let us get squared away from the
ALFMED; then we can get going on that.
No, I don't want to hurry you, Ron. I just want
you to know what -when -just get yourself com­
fortable and be ready to take them whenever you
want them. It's going to be a lengthy time,
though.
Okay.
Hey, Bob,
I'm looking at what -what Jack was
talking about; and it's definitely not a particle
that's nearby because there is another one I can
look at and get a three-dimensional comparison
with. It is a -it is a bright object, and it's
obviously rotating because it's flashing. It's
way out in the distance, as I say, because there
are particles that are close by and it's obviously
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very rhythmic fashion because the flashes come
around almost -almost on time. And it's as we
look back at the Earth, it's up at about 11:00
about -oh, maybe 10 or 12 Earth diameters. I
don't know whether that does you any good, but
there is something out there.
Roger. We don't doubt it, Gene. And we might
work out a set of gimbal angles or something here;
maybe we can get a look at it through the optics.
Okay. And I - I I just want to emphasize that
it's definitely not -not one of these particles
that tends to look like a star out there. It's
something physical in the distance. (Laughter)
Oh, yes.
thing off.
Yes, guess I am.
Okay, Gene. If you can call up a NOUN 20 so we
know the spacecraft attitude, and if you can
reference the object you're looking at out of your
window, with -with respect to body axis and let
us look at your -your -give us a mark, somehow,
and give us your NOUN 20s, we can try and get a
tie-in and start locating -locating this object
down for you.
Okay, I'm looking it out -looking at it out the
center window -the hatch window -and I'll give
you a hack when it crosses the XX axis at the
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